1 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:03,700 If you install The Venus Project throughout the world 2 00:00:03,700 --> 00:00:10,300 declare all the Earth's resources as the common heritage of all the world's people. 3 00:00:10,300 --> 00:00:14,700 See, Mark Twain said, "There's not an acre of land on Earth 4 00:00:14,700 --> 00:00:17,000 that belongs to its rightful owners." 5 00:00:17,300 --> 00:00:21,800 So, over the years, powerful nations took land from others. 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:27,000 This includes the United States, Germany, France; they're all corrupt. 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,800 I'm sorry about that, but all nations are corrupt. 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,000 As long as you use money, you can pay off senators 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,100 the drug company can buy time 10 00:00:36,100 --> 00:00:40,800 so you can't have decency and ethics in a corrupt world. 11 00:00:41,300 --> 00:00:43,300 "But are you talking about a utopia?" 12 00:00:43,300 --> 00:00:45,600 No. There's no such thing. 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,500 The reason there is no such thing as utopia is because 14 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:52,000 if you design the best building you know how to design 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,900 that's the best you know up to now. 16 00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:58,000 With the advent of a new material, the city'll keep changing. 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,800 There's no best laptop. Next year there'll be smaller, lighter, wider range. 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Cameras no longer use film. 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:12,000 So you can't design the best camera, you can only design the best that you know of up to now. 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,000 No utopias, no final frontiers. 21 00:01:15,500 --> 00:01:18,300 "But for you, your vision of the future" 22 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:19,700 is always changing. 23 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:22,800 "But it's dependent on technology?" 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,300 Yes. Technology and knowledge in all fields. 25 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:32,400 Today, scientists are specialized in optics, another guy rockets 26 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,600 so the nation can use them anyway they want to. 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:40,500 In the future, people will be educated to be generalists, so no one can use you 28 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:42,500 to make weapons of destruction. 29 00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:44,200 "But you look at some of your designs 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,700 some of your visions for the future and people say 31 00:01:47,700 --> 00:01:51,500 "Yeah, look, it's like you might have seen in Popular Mechanics in the 50s. 32 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:54,400 You know, "This is what's going to be like in 1999." 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,800 No. It's nothing like that. 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,800 Hollywood shows you spaceships and people using laser weapons. 35 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,800 They take the same cowboys and Indians and put 'em in spaceships. 36 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:11,000 That is not the future, that's man's concept of this limited society 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,600 that doesn't teach you how to think and look ahead. 38 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:21,600 They teach you how to be a cameraman, auto mechanic, chemist, or a structural engineer 39 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,000 but they don't give you an overview of society. 40 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:29,000 "For people to embrace what you're talking about..." 41 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,700 Well, it's not my system really. 42 00:02:32,700 --> 00:02:38,200 If we don't live in accordance with the nature of the Earth 43 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:43,500 if we don't live in accordance with the natural resources, we can't live. 44 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:50,800 You can't designate a population of 10 million without doing a study of the resources you have. 45 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,200 After you study, we have enough resources to support so many billions of people 46 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:02,200 and if you exceed that, you're going to have starvation, malnutrition, territorial disputes. 47 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:07,500 If you maintain a population in accordance with the carrying capacity of the Earth 48 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:09,600 no opinions of senators. 49 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,050 Politics was great, a hundred years ago. 50 00:03:12,050 --> 00:03:14,300 Today, it's all obsolete. 51 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:18,500 "But aren't you really, you're talking revolution, because you're saying..." 52 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:19,000 No. 53 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,200 "When society breaks down..." 54 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,600 Technical revolution. 55 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,700 "Yeah, but when society breaks down, then they'll want to do it a different way." 56 00:03:25,700 --> 00:03:32,700 I'm sorry about that, but it seems that conditions were so abusive, in some lands 57 00:03:32,700 --> 00:03:37,000 that they put in socialism, communism, whatever, or fascism 58 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,000 that fits the conditions that people live under. 59 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,900 None of them are the solution. 60 00:03:42,900 --> 00:03:46,500 All governments, all through history, have been corrupt. 61 00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:53,700 "So, in that case, the rise of the Nazis in Germany was perfectly logical." 62 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:56,300 Was logical within their conditioning. 63 00:03:56,500 --> 00:04:00,000 In other words, Hitler did not lead Germany that way 64 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:05,400 but what he spoke of was acceptable to the German people, obviously. 65 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,050 He was put there by German big business and industry 66 00:04:09,050 --> 00:04:11,800 and the working man had no voice. 67 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,700 He thought he was a communist, a socialist. 68 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Hitler's system would not have worked even if they'd won the war. 69 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,300 "You must know that people look at your concepts." 70 00:04:21,300 --> 00:04:22,000 Yes, I heard. 71 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:27,000 "And with utmost respect Jacque, they will say, "You're a crazy old man."' 72 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,800 I understand that. This is not unusual. 73 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:36,500 Every move from women's rights to child labor, were fought with battles, all the time. 74 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:39,800 No new system ever came in smoothly. 75 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,600 Even in the army, the cavalry fought the war tanks. 76 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,300 When the war tanks came in, they fought the guided missile. 77 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:53,000 Now the guided missile people are fighting lasers from weapons in the sky. 78 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,200 Then they have a bomb called a "flicker bomb", so bright light goes on and off 79 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,400 it gives you an epileptic seizure and doesn't destroy the environment. 80 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:06,100 Now they're in control, but there's no limit to what man can do. 81 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:08,000 Man is the dumbest animal. 82 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:14,500 He pollutes the ocean, the air, the rivers, the atmosphere, and people. 83 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:19,000 Man, they put themselves on a pedestal, say "We're the highest form of life." 84 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,400 That's an ego trip. They're not. We're not civilized yet. 85 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,800 As long as you have prisons, police, armies, navies; we are not civilized. 86 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,400 Until the world learns to live together, constructively 87 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,000 that'll be the beginning of the scientific age. 88 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,700 We're not there yet. 89 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:38,800 During the time of the Wright Brothers 90 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:44,900 the scientists of the time were writing books as to why man can't fly 91 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:47,200 and the Wright Brothers didn't read those books 92 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,000 so they went right on and built the flying machine. 93 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,050 Goddard couldn't speak about rocketry in the scientific fields 94 00:05:54,050 --> 00:05:56,200 'cause he'd be looked at as a quack. 95 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:02,300 So all through history, the scientists of the times, were saying how things could not progress. 96 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,800 "But, how do you convince people?" 97 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,800 I'm going to try to explain that. 98 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,300 "How do you convince them?" 99 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:13,600 First of all, no one has an opinion. 100 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,500 See, they bring you up where everyone should have a right to their own opinion. 101 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,000 If your sister lived across the way from me 102 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,000 and I see 10 guys coming out of her apartment 103 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,800 I can have all kinds of opinions. 104 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,000 The most difficult thing for people to say is "I don't know." 105 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:31,400 "Do you think a man'll ever get to the moon?" 106 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,800 "I don't know enough about rockets, or the prop.... I don't know." 107 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,600 But today, when people say, "Well, if you ask me, not in a thousand years." 108 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,000 I'm not interested in that. 109 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,500 What do you know about space travel? Machinery, rocketry? Nothing. 110 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:47,000 Then, I don't want to hear from you. 111 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,000 Do you understand? People just yack on about anything 112 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,300 if you give them all a right to their own opinion. 113 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:56,500 In the future, here's the way they'll talk 114 00:06:56,700 --> 00:07:00,500 If they see an airplane without wings, in the future, they'll say 115 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:03,700 "How do you propose to lift off the ground without wings?" 116 00:07:03,700 --> 00:07:06,800 Today they say, "It'll never fly, it doesn't have wings." 117 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,500 They have an opinion about everything, and that's dangerous. 118 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:13,000 That's why nations don't move forward. 119 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,000 "But, you look at you now, and you're touring around, you're talking to people." 120 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:17,600 Yes. 121 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,300 "What, for the next seven months you're gonna travel the world." 122 00:07:20,500 --> 00:07:21,600 Yes. 123 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,500 "And you're 94 years old." 124 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:24,900 Yes. 125 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:28,000 "You haven't got anything better to do?" 126 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,000 No. Not now, I'm afraid of the direction that Man is taking. 127 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:40,300 We have bombs now that are like a thousand times greater than the one dropped on Hiroshima. 128 00:07:40,300 --> 00:07:44,000 How stupid can you be? What can you accomplish with that? 129 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,800 The United States has 300 submarines, and according to the Navy 130 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:54,000 each one has more destructive power than all the wars in history. 131 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,800 What are you going to accomplish with that? A burnt-out radioactive planet? 132 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,400 You won the war? 133 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:00,700 What do you win? 134 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:04,000 It's much easier to bring the nations of the world together 135 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,700 not kill those that don't agree with you, bring them together. 136 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:14,200 If I took every soldier, I would educate them to be problem solvers, not killing machines. 137 00:08:14,900 --> 00:08:18,500 If they draft you to serve, to put up your life for your country 138 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:21,400 they should conscript all the war industries 139 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,400 so no one makes a buck out of war. Then it's real. 140 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:25,500 You don't have that. 141 00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:27,400 "What can one man do though?" 142 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:32,300 Talk to other people. If you like what The Venus Project stands for, talk to others. 143 00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:36,800 If you do nothing, nothing will happen. I can assure you that. 144 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,800 I have no power, Roxanne has no power. 145 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:46,000 It's merely a presentation of a world without war, hunger, poverty, or job loss. 146 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:49,400 It's always been one person who comes up with new ideas 147 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,000 and when other people hear about it 148 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,000 then they work towards it and do what they can to make it happen. 149 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,000 But it's usually one person that's come up with different ideas. 150 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,900 "Do you see him as a genius?" 151 00:09:01,900 --> 00:09:07,400 No, I see him as someone who's gone through certain things during his lifetime 152 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:08,800 and arrived at different conclusions. 153 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,500 His background was very different. 154 00:09:11,500 --> 00:09:15,300 He worked in technology, he was a futurist 155 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:20,200 but most futurists don't talk about the future in terms of technology 156 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,300 they have wishes and aspirations, and hopes and dreams. 157 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:25,300 He can build these things technically. 158 00:09:25,300 --> 00:09:28,200 He's worked with drug addicts, alcoholics, changed them. 159 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,500 He even joined the Klan, he wanted to see if he could put his ideas to test. 160 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:37,200 He joined the Ku Klux Klan in the United States, and changed them within a month and a half. 161 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,400 Then join the White Citizens Council and changed them. 162 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:45,000 It's not just coming out of his head saying, "I would like a different world." 163 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,500 He worked at it, and worked at people to change them. 164 00:09:47,500 --> 00:09:48,700 "You joined the Klan?" 165 00:09:48,700 --> 00:09:54,800 - Ku Klux Klan, years ago, and it was about 32 members. 166 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,500 So, I joined them by talking with... 167 00:09:57,500 --> 00:10:01,800 First, that leader said to me, "What do you think of the Ku Klux Klan?" 168 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,800 I said, "It's a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough." 169 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:10,200 Then they listen. But if you down it, they don't listen. You understand? 170 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:16,800 You have to learn different people's values and speak in their terms, not your terms. 171 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,000 If you speak ahead of the terms of people, they don't know what you're talking about. 172 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,500 So, in New York, I asked a question 173 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:25,800 "What are the most undeveloped people in the area?" 174 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,300 I got one consensus, they said, "The Arabs that live in Atlantic Avenue." 175 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:33,700 I said, "What makes you think they're backward?" 176 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:36,000 "They still believe the Earth is flat." 177 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,700 So I said, "I better try to turn them around because if I can't turn them around 178 00:10:40,700 --> 00:10:42,800 how am I going to change the world?" 179 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,500 That's why I join the Klan and the White Citizens Council. 180 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:51,800 So, I call the leader of the Arabs in that area and I said, "I would like to speak with you." 181 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,600 He said, "You are Arab?" That's all he can say. 182 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,400 I said, "Yes." - I'm not Arab. 183 00:10:56,700 --> 00:10:59,500 So he said, "Where your father he born?" 184 00:10:59,500 --> 00:11:00,700 I said, "Lebanon." 185 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:04,000 He said, "Very good, come and saw me;" means "Come and see me." 186 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,500 So I came to see him and I said, "Do you believe the world is round?" 187 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:10,400 "No." 188 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,500 So he said to me, "Do you believe...?" 189 00:11:12,500 --> 00:11:14,300 I said, "No." He... "tut tut tut" 190 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:16,000 That means "It can't be." 191 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,800 Then he pointed to his head 192 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:24,000 he says, "If the world be round, man fall me down, all the water he fall me down." 193 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:25,600 Kept doing that. 194 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,200 So I said, "Boy, I got to get to this guy." 195 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,500 So I gave him a balloon which I brought with me and I rubbed it with fur. 196 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:36,800 I put cornflakes in his hand and told him to hold his hand away from the balloon. 197 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,400 You know what happens if you rub it? 198 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,700 All the cornflakes go up to the balloon. 199 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:43,000 And his jaw hit the pavement. 200 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,000 He said, "World he magnet?" 201 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:45,800 "Eeehh..." 202 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,100 "Aaaaahhh..." 203 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:49,800 And he explained that to all the other Arabs. 204 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Took an hour and a half to turn them around by demonstration. 205 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,500 But if you use language, scientific centrifugal force, geomagnetic fields 206 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:01,500 they don't know what the hell you're talking about. 207 00:12:01,700 --> 00:12:03,000 "Did you turn around the Klan though?" 208 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,200 Oh yes. Do you want me to tell you how? 209 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:05,800 "Yeah." 210 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,400 Okay. It was a longer process. 211 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,000 What I did is I spoke to the leader only. 212 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,700 Took him to my lab, showed him a lot of interesting things 213 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:18,000 and he said in his southern accent 214 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,600 "Will you come on down to the Klan meeting and talk to our boys?" 215 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,000 I said, "They wouldn't listen to me, Lou." 216 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,800 He said, "I'll get 'em to listen to you, 'cause what you say makes sense." 217 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,400 I showed him a lot of things he never knew existed. 218 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,600 So he silenced them and I spoke to them a little bit. 219 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,800 Then I said, "Lou, you can look at a person and tell us all about him." 220 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,600 "How do you do that?" 221 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,000 He said, "Well, I didn't think I can teach you anything." 222 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,500 I said, "Well, if you can do that, tell me how it's done." 223 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:53,000 So, I brought some pictures down at the Klan meeting and projected them on the wall. 224 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:59,500 And Lou said, "He looks like a good man, a God fearing man, American veteran" 225 00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:01,300 projecting his own values. 226 00:13:01,300 --> 00:13:04,400 On the end of the picture, I pull down the bottom, it says 227 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:09,000 "Wanted by the FBI for subversive action against the United States." 228 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,800 When he used to speak, he just said anything 229 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,300 and the others, not knowing anything, shook their head. 230 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:21,100 This is the first time what he said didn't make sense, so his group started to laugh at him. 231 00:13:21,100 --> 00:13:26,000 So I said to the guys, "Shut your mouth, 'cause Lou knows more about people than we do." 232 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,000 I had to defend him till the next film. 233 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:35,000 The next film was a record of a man talking in an oxford accent about aviation. 234 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:40,000 He said, "I see a skinny Englishman with a bald head and eyeglasses." 235 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:45,600 He's projecting his own values. Now then, 10 minutes later, the image comes on 236 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,800 it's a black guy, raised in England. 237 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,700 "It's a goddammed nigger talking like an Englishman!" 238 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:53,500 This is Lou's reaction, not my words. 239 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:57,200 And I said, "Lou, that guy was raised in a different environment." 240 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,800 If you took a black man and raised him in France 241 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,500 he'd speak like a Frenchman, if he was a baby. 242 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:06,000 If you raised him in Germany, he'd speak with a German accent. 243 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,200 He says, "You mean to say that a black man speaks that way because he's raised?" 244 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,200 Yes. 245 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:17,000 I said "Lou, if I took your kid and raised it in a Jewish family, he'd be a nice Jewish boy. 246 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,200 In a Nazi family, a nice Nazi." 247 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,000 People are not taught how to think, they reflect their culture. 248 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Proof, that in Italy you talk with the hands. 249 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,300 "Mannaggia d'americano!," see? 250 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,800 You say, "Come ona, eat, it's a gooda food." 251 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,700 That's not you, that's the environment impinging upon you. 252 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:37,000 We don't teach children how to think. 253 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,000 "So, it's nurture versus nature, the grand debate?" Yeah. 254 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,700 Nature. 255 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:47,000 Environment shapes values, facial expressions. 256 00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:51,000 If you were brought up in the deep South, you'll speak with a southern accent. 257 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,900 And if all you hear is "The dammed niggers are lazy, they don't do..." 258 00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:57,800 If that's all you hear, that's what you reflect. 259 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,700 So you might say, "I'm goin' get me a nigger an' I goin' kick his ass." 260 00:15:01,700 --> 00:15:05,500 Is that you, or a reflection of your culture? Think about it. 261 00:15:05,500 --> 00:15:05,900 Always... 262 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:08,000 "If I was a serial killer..." 263 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:10,400 Oh, here's what makes a serial killer. 264 00:15:10,700 --> 00:15:13,500 There was a guy named, in the early days 265 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:17,500 this guy, they believed, ate 45 children. 266 00:15:17,900 --> 00:15:20,000 The public wanted to tear him to pieces 267 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,800 'cos the public looks at him as free will. 268 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,800 I look at it as indoctrination. 269 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,000 Now, what kind of indoctrination makes a serial killer? 270 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:33,500 So a psychiatrist named Wertham wrote a book called "Show of violence". 271 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,000 Most people never read it. 272 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,700 Essentially, here's the guts of it 273 00:15:38,700 --> 00:15:43,300 When he was about eight years old, he was touching his private parts 274 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:45,800 and his mother was an old time Baptist. 275 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,800 She said, "You're gonna burn in Hell touching that part of your body! 276 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,300 You will burn eternally!" 277 00:15:50,300 --> 00:15:52,000 She scared the hell out of the kid 278 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,300 and that evening the mother said, "He stuck needles into his genitals." 279 00:15:56,300 --> 00:15:59,000 He didn't want to go to Hell, can you understand that? 280 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:04,000 So he used to go into the woods with minority children and try to cut their genitals off. 281 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,500 To save them from Hell. 282 00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:07,000 What do you think a soldier is? 283 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:13,000 A guy that's shown motion pictures of a Japanese guy raping an American woman, pregnant. 284 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,500 And so the enlistment goes up. 285 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:18,000 So, people are taught to hate. 286 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:23,400 Before the war, remember, it was, "Pretty parasol and fan in far off Japan." 287 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,000 Now, "Slanty-eyed bastards." 288 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 The Germans are not people, they're "krauts". 289 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:35,000 All nations are corrupt, they all teach their people to hate; hatred and to be patriotic. 290 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:39,500 Einstein said, "Patriotism is a disease." It separates people. 291 00:16:39,700 --> 00:16:43,500 -You're not born with bigotry, prejudice, anger or envy 292 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:46,500 that's nurtured, you experience that through your environment. 293 00:16:46,700 --> 00:16:49,250 If you approached a head hunter in the Amazon and said 294 00:16:49,250 --> 00:16:53,300 "Oh my God, don't you feel terrible? You have ten shrunken heads!" 295 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:55,900 He may say "Yes, my brother has twenty." 296 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,000 -Is he bad? No. 297 00:16:58,300 --> 00:17:02,300 -So how, if we know what is... 298 00:17:02,300 --> 00:17:05,500 I mean we can look at all the influences on society that are needed. 299 00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:07,000 -They don't know how to do that today. 300 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,000 -And we come to what, we look at this vision that you have. 301 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,000 How, again, how do we get there? 302 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,000 Because a lot of people have no vested interest -I know. 303 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,000 -in abandoning the way things are done now. 304 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,600 -We want to make a major motion picture showing how we get from here to there. 305 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:28,000 It's not going to be smooth, there's going to be a lot of problems, a lot of assasinations. 306 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,600 This is normal to that much of a change if you want to bring. 307 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,000 But if you want to try to patch up the old system 308 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,000 it'll take many years and many wars. We don't have the time 309 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:43,000 if all nations are building nuclear weapons now, 'cos they don't trust each other. 310 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:44,500 -Is your life in danger? 311 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:48,000 -What's that? -"If you come up with something that's so radically..." 312 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,400 My life is always in danger. It's always been in danger. 313 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,000 I developed the first flying wing aircraft, I had nothing but trouble. 314 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:00,500 I worked on long hours of children working in factories and tried to stop that. 315 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:08,000 I'm 94 now. I do all I can do rather than fear death. I don't fear death. 316 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:13,100 I fear where man is going. The hell they can produce is unbelievable. 317 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:18,800 Because of human, not really human stupidity, they're not educated in our schools. 318 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,300 Our universities are better equipped than ever, and the wars are getting worse. 319 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:27,700 So, how can we be sane if the weapons are getting worse? 320 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,000 -"Roxanne, he doesn't worry about himself, but do you worry about him? 321 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,000 Because, the things he is talking about 322 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,500 breaking the natural order, don't they? The established order." 323 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:41,000 -We both are very afraid of where things are going out there 324 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,800 and if you sit back and do nothing, nothing will happen. 325 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,600 So, he's been working on a new approach all his life that nobody else is dealing with. 326 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,800 They're all trying to patch up this system 327 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,600 and it's this monetary system that creates the aberrant behavior 328 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,000 that creates the pollution 329 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:02,000 that creates the terrible situation between people and the environment. 330 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,800 So, if we sit back and do nothing, this'll continue to go right down into the ground. 331 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,800 And what it takes is introducing these new ideas. 332 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:16,000 People think in terms of socialism, communism, free-enterprise system, or fascism 333 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,600 nothing has been introduced. 334 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,400 So we want to show it in film to show people really just what type of future they can have 335 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:28,000 if they work together and create and make all the natural resources 336 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,500 as the common heritage of all the Earth's people. 337 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:33,500 This is the only way we'll go beyond what we are doing today. 338 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:36,000 Otherwise, there'll be more and more suffering 339 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:41,000 if we don't use the scientific method applied to the way we live. 340 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,750 "You will never stop, will you? You will never stop." 341 00:19:44,750 --> 00:19:49,000 -The language we use today was designed hundreds of years ago. 342 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,800 That makes it impossible to talk to one another. 343 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,200 When you read the Bible, it's subject to interpretation. 344 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,500 People say, "Jesus meant this," "No, he meant that!" 345 00:19:57,500 --> 00:20:00,600 So you got the Lutherans, Seventh-Day Adventists, Catholic. 346 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:06,000 So, we need a language that's not subject to interpretation; mathematics, chemistry. 347 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,800 When chemists talk to each other, it's not "I think you mean this." 348 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:15,300 When structural engineers build a bridge, they talk to each other and they understand exactly. 349 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:19,000 We need that in the common language, otherwise 350 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 when you talk to a person, I don't care if it's your wife or children 351 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,800 it goes through their head, comes out different as they think you mean it. 352 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000 That's the danger of the world today. 353 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,000 So people say to you, "Have a nice weekend." 354 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:36,000 Why don't they say, "Have a nice life." Why just the weekend? 'Cause that's the normal. 355 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,000 See, they don't know what they are talking about, most people. 356 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,000 Now, how do I get up and turn them around? 357 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,000 By identifying with their values and gradually 358 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,000 as fast as I can, I'll take them into the new world. 359 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,500 -"You're sneaky." 360 00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:52,500 -See, here's where people get mad at me. 361 00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:55,200 They say, "You want to give people things for nothing." 362 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,000 I say, "If you're born in America and England and France 363 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,000 you got the airplane, the automobile, the telephone, the electric light. 364 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,000 You didn't work on any of that. You got it for nothing. Does it hurt you? No!" 365 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:12,000 There's nothing wrong with having people access whatever they need without money. 366 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,200 We can turn out volumes of goods today with automation 367 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,000 and make it available to everybody. 368 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,000 That's the end of most crime. Most crime. 369 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:27,000 -"Could you ever see yourself stopping?" 370 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,000 "Stopping thinking, stopping advocating." 371 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,500 -Well, a brain disease, or aging maybe 372 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:38,000 might have a stroke and not be able to do it. 373 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,800 That's possible in this world. 374 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:46,600 But in the future I talk about, everyone is cared for, from babies to old age 375 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:51,500 and no one is in authority. We don't tell people how to live. 376 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:58,000 All the machines do is make goods available, transport it, they do not control people. 377 00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:00,500 -"And that's possible?" 378 00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:04,300 -Yes. It was posible in 1927. 379 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,600 -At the beginning of automation in fabrication. 380 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,400 -"But we're terrified of the machines taking over." 381 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,400 -That's because they take your job away. 382 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,300 See, in the future when a new machine comes in, we call the help in 383 00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:20,000 say, "You used to work 8 hours a day, now it's 4. 384 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,000 You used to have a week-two weeks vacation a year. 385 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,600 Now it's six weeks to be with your family and all." 386 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,500 So machines are no longer used to aggrandize the powerful. 387 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:36,400 They can't lay you off. The machines are now operated for the benefit of all humanity. 388 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,500 There's no more separate nations with artificial boundaries. 389 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,700 If single nations control most of the resources, there's going to be trouble. 390 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,000 Has to be, continuously. 391 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,000 There'll always be war and rumors of war if you keep it this way. 392 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:58,000 It's only when the Earth is declared the common heritage of all the world's people 393 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,000 that's the end of territorial invasion. 394 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,500 If you don't understand that, I'm sorry, I'll give you all examples you want. 395 00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:10,800 I know what makes those troubles. Some people do and say, "Oh, what can I do? 396 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,200 Do what you can. If you do nothing, nothing will happen. 397 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:20,500 Everybody that brought liberation to women's right, black rights, polish rights 398 00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:23,400 it is not, that isn't what you want. All the people need the same things 399 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:28,000 Free access to the necessities of life. Otherwise, they suffer. 400 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,200 Now, what's so difficult about that? 401 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,000 -It's the movies that make people fearful of technology. 402 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,000 They really project the free-enterprise system into the future 403 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,000 and all these robots and technology are working against people. 404 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,000 That's what they do today. 405 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,400 So they are afraid of technology today with the bombs and the missiles and the war 406 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,000 and the technology that displaces people and they have no purchasing power 407 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,800 but that's not what a resource-based economy would do. 408 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,400 They'd use technology for the benefit of people and the environment. 409 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,000 -All over the world. 410 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:07,500 -"Finally, how achievable is this? If, if everything went according to plan..." 411 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,000 -According to Peter Joseph, who started The Zeitgeist Movement 412 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:18,000 he told me two months ago that 50 million people now know about The Venus Project 413 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,000 and are all working towards it. 414 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,000 So I have a whole pile of magazines, from all over the world 415 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,000 each one talks about The Venus Project positively. 416 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,800 -The Zeitgeist Movement is the activist arm of The Venus Project. 417 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:36,500 After Peter Joseph did the film Zeitgeist Addendum, it became well-known all over the world. 418 00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:41,800 And now there are chapters in almost every city in the U.S. and every country all over the world. 419 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,600 And they're working towards these ends. 420 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,500 They are talking to people, they are introducing it in their media 421 00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:50,000 in their TV, in any way that they can. 422 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,500 It really depends on what people do to make this come about. 423 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,500 -We don't want to hurt anybody, or kill anybody 424 00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:59,000 'cause we don't look down on anybody. 425 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,500 We look at them as victims of culture. It's not their fault.